Frames, submenus and background images

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Frames, submenus and background images

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This is an update of an earlier posting. Thanks furfer for solving one problem. For the next one I have tried every combination of code to resolve I know of. If you look at http://members.aol.com/palsenators and move the mouse over Plays and Tips then move the mouse within the top menu you will see the submenu problem. If the mouse is moved to a different set of orientations different behavior happens. HELP please. Also is the slow speed of the image swapping typical?
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Post by menufurfer »

I have timegap=500 which I think is the original and is supposed to affect the delay on the menu visibility. But then again I don't use images and maybe that's a factor... because when I switch from your site to mine and back and forth using the Back and Forward buttons, I don't have the problem at my site but do have it at yours.

Plus I've got some more headaches for you. I default to Netscape Navigator 4.79. When I brought it up there, I would never have guessed there is music with it upon loading. I only heard it in IE 5.5 (which I only use for testing).

There are other notables between the two you should know about (e.g. in Netscape the hockey stick handles don't show but the blade does; no writing is visible in the topframe menu but it is visible in the submenu) but let's try to solve one problem at a time lest you fall back into blob mode and not work to perfection of menus. /mfurf
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Post by liwebsolutions »

thanks furf...hmmm-maybe i have too much hi-tech stuff for netscape (and maybe ie)...i have spent MUCH time with this (1 to learn the tool 2-my hockey kids would like the looks)..you should see a puck and splash over the stick on mouseover-do you...i know ns barfs on some background images...maybe i should dump the idea and chalk it off to learning a fine tool?..i have only tried ie and to get that to work...the sub menu staying visable when the mouse moves within the top frame is what has my hair on the floor...if the mouse is moved vertically up the sub disappears...(i know there are more pullings to follow)...but the tool is real neat!
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Post by menufurfer »

Since you and I have basically a similar double frame setup and mine works (with the exception of the font size) in both IE and NS, so should yours.

Do you start with an index file that is blank and merely is used to set up the frames? Here is my html code (note that my small frame is logo.htm and larger frame is main.htm.) If you were to change the two frame names of logo and main to your two names, and perhaps tweak the 112 setting I have for rows, your site should come up in both IE and NS.

<!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<meta name="VPSiteProject" content="file:///E|/ftp%20UP/Project.vpp">
<meta name="GENERATOR" content="Mozilla/4.75 [en] (Win98; U) [Netscape]">
<meta name="MSSmartTagsPreventParsing" content="TRUE">
<title>Scripture Wall</title>
<frameset ROWS = "112,*" >
<frame SRC="logo.htm" NAME="logo" MARGINWIDTH="0" MARGINHEIGHT="2" FRAMEBORDER="0" target="main" NORESIZE>
<frame SRC="main.htm" NAME="main" NORESIZE>
</frameset>
<noframes>
</head>
<body>
Thanks for trying this site. If you are seeing this message
it generally means your browser might not be up to snuff with frames. Frames
browsers like Internet Exporer or Netscape Navigator are freebie downloads.
Try one.
</body>
</noframes>
</html>
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Post by liwebsolutions »

the index page seems basic and follows

<html>
<head>
<title>Senators - Learning Team Hockey and Having Fun!</title>
<META name="robots" content="noindex,nofollow">
<link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" href="senators.css">
</head>

<frameset rows="94,*" framespacing="0" border="1" frameborder="0">
<frame name="headerframe" scrolling="no" noresize target="main" src="headerframe.htm">
<frame name="bodyframe" src="home_body.htm" scrolling="auto" target="_self">
<noframes>
<body>
<p>This page uses frames, but your browser doesn't support them.</p>
<p>Contact <a href="mailto:palkings@aol.com">palkings@aol.com</a>
with the browser you are using or ask for instructions on how to upgrade your
browser.</p>
</body>
</noframes>
</frameset>
</html>

once again thanks
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Post by menufurfer »

Try moving your closing </head> command to the line in between <noframes> and the opening <body> command. This puts your framesets within your head section instead of in a no man's land between the head and body sections. I think this will do it for making it NS friendly. You probably won't notice any difference in IE but when you let me know I can test it in NS 4.79. I'm not sure if it will have any bearing on the menu timing. /mfurf
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Post by liwebsolutions »

the following is where the test code for the menu resides (not palsenators any more...must get the fall site setup for the grandson)
http://members.aol.com/liwebsolutions/menus/
I made the furfer suggestion but there is no change (as furf predidcted)..if i can get this work for ie i will be happy... i will let ns sit in the back of the class since the site is for a limited audience...but for a wider audience maybe my approach is too much for ns
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