a few screwies, or bugs?

[John]

Oh, brother - Andy, I thought you told me that Easter egg was buried deep in there...

Actually, I'm getting to look more like Humpty Dumpty lately...

[Andy]

Yeah it's in the license agreement too.

Licensee may not: (i) decompile, disassemble, reverse engineer, or otherwise attempt to derive the source code for the Product

Anyone found in breach will be forced to walk the plank where there are several ill tempered mutated sea bass swimming there.

I think this might be Milonic's aggressive approach to license dodgers from now on.

-- Andy

[John]

Anyone found in breach will be forced to walk the plank where there are several ill tempered mutated sea bass swimming there.

Sounds like they've been hanging around the pub too much...

[Maz]

We can get a good Fullers ESB on the west coast now...
Its Party time for Silicon Valley with Gov. Terminater running the show!
Cigar?
maz

[Jason]

heartfelt pleasantries:
bah, apologies for dropping out of my own thread, thought it was dead. The email notifications stopped coming. I was getting 2 notices each time someone posted to this thread, now none =[

Anyhoo, Andy: good stuff and thanks a ton! Great menu system

Und you mods, thanks for the attentiveness, this board looks to be pretty daggum busy, I'm sure your job is thankless. Well done.

more incompetent puzzling:

I've made me offbgcolor transparent:

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with(dropstyle=new mm_style()){
offcolor="#333366";
offbgcolor="transparent";

so that the specified bgimage would show:

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with(milonic=new menuname("products")){
itemwidth=120;
style=dropstyle;
alignment="left";
top="104";
bgimage="/images/layout/dropstyle_bg.jpg";

problem is some users with weak machines are reporting that the bgimage isn't showing up and the text gets muddled with that under it because of the transparent background. No problem I think, and I slap a bgcolor in thinkin it would give it something to fall back on:

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with(dropstyle=new mm_style()){
offcolor="#333366";
offbgcolor="#cfceed";

but that shows the bgcolor over the bgimage. I was thinking normal css would apply like so:

background : color url();

Can I achieve my intent by doing this some other way? Is the documentation coming along yet so I may find out the answers to such questions myself (~goes to check after the fact~)?

=D thanks

[Hergio]

Maybe we should also investigate why the bgimages aren't coming up for the users you mentioned. I checked the WWW link you have, I didnt see the menu anywhere, do you have a URL to it? Also what types of computers and browsers were those people using who had touble viewing the background images?

[Jason]

the menu is still here: http://new.centerline-inc.com/menufiveoh.html

I think the reason they weren't seeing the bgimage was a processor issue, they'd see it everntually, seriously a 5 second wait or somesuch. This was a guy on Win XP and IE6+.

Frankly tho, this is one of the reasons I upgraded the menu to 5, I have a 3.06GHz ht P4 with 2GB ram and DSL and was having the same problem with the older version, delay on the bgimage showing up in the submenus.

to answer the question of computers and browsers directly though, Win XP, IE6, all with decent to wicked good processors and RAM, lowest being 1GHz I'd guess (fairly new Dell laptop)

[Hergio]

Then it sounds more like a bandwidth network issue. Am I wrong in guessing these people are probably on telephone modems? The menu code downloads very fast but the image takes much longer and thats why it appears later, its no the computer but the connection to the internet. Looking at your background image, this can be helped some. Your background image is a gradient left to right, pretty staightforward. Its 219 x 20, and doesn't change at all from top to bottom, so this image does not need to be 20 px high, you should change your image to 219 x 1 and it will repeat and look exactly as it does now. You could cut the image size down considerably. See if that helps.

[Jason]

the bgimage is 20px high because it can sometimes take a browser longer to draw the page with a bunch of 1px images than with 20px images (or 32 or 72 or whatever). At 560 bytes I think it's hardly an issue either way. Especially since we're talking about T1 or better speeds. No dialers.

Any idea how to get the bgimage to lay over the top of the bgcolor instead of the other way around if I specify both? That would be a nice workaround to the issue. If not then I'll begrufginly go just bgcolor.

Thank Hergio

[Hergio]

Changing stuff like that requires Milonic to do it. I am not sure of the precedence logic that goes into that.

How about you try removing the over and out filters on the menus. Yes, they look very nice, but maybe that is causing the slowdown. The effect of a filter is entirely computed and done by the browser so if it seems to be a computer related issue, maybe removing the filters may help. Try it out, it might change things. You could also try a different, less cpu-intensive filter. Just throwing ideas your way....

[Jason]

yes, you may be right on the filters, I've suspected the same for a long time, shame about that too. Need to run some tests I guess. Thanks for jogging my memory on it

milonic v6 : submenu cross browser animations

[Hergio]

Ehh alot of the filters are proprietary Microsoft filters that apply nicely to the menu but only on IE. If you go to the MSDN site and search on filters (or even on these forums) you will see the list of them that are available. But its microsoft giving us most of those nice effects. To make them cross-browser compatible would take a lot of javascript and DHTML making large downloads and slow animations....or for microsoft/W3C to make them a standard across all browsers. Someday the world will be perfect....ehh, maybe not.