Mac IE 5.2 - Menu Hidden By My Div Layout

[uuiwebmaster]

Hello,

I work (well volunteer) for a church who has a fair number of Mac users who still have old OS's and browsers IE 4.1 *argh*. I am encouraging them to upgrade to Safari, but they are very unsure of it, so I told them I'd try to support at least Mac IE 5.2.

I can get the menu to work if I don't put anything else on the page (obviously not ideal ) ...

but whenever I put my layout on (using divs) it hides the menu

Here's the main page where it's not working:
http://www.uui.org/

Here's the test page where it is working:
http://www.uui.org/test.html

Please let me know if I can add a z-index to the milonic menu to make it always appear on top?

I tried adding a z-index to the box-wrap class in my css and it made none of the links on my site clickable.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!
Lori

[Hergio]

Tough call here. I dont have a mac, or even an old browser on one so I cant see the problem. But have you tried maybe creating your page with tables instead of divs, at least until you pursuade some people into upgrading?

Also, take a look at version 3, it might be able to render better with the OLD browsers. You can take a look at http://milonic.com/menuvinfo.php to see some of the old ones. We dont technically support v3 anymore so you aren't guaranteed any real support with it. But at least it would be temporary until you get some of those folks to upgrade.

[uuiwebmaster]

I was really hoping to not have to revert to a table-based layout. Please let me know if there is any other way.

I don't want to lose absolute positioning of the main menu as (most of) my users are able to take advantage of the follow-on-scroll feature you guys have incorporated.

I appreciate the advice, Hergio, but if anyone else has ideas, I'd love to hear 'em!

Thanks

[Maz]

The strangest thing just happened.

I use an old mac IE 5.1.7 I'm using tables and xhtml
You can see my menu on the www link below.

The top menu is not table bound and I have no problem with it.

However, the Tools menu to the left is table bound, when I position relative I lost the submenus, without relative its as if its not table bound, badly positioned and acts irratic.

I followed disabled access advice and put in a <noscript> comment after the menu script with position relative, then I read that xhtml ignores noscript, I took it out again, suddenly the submenus wouldn't open.

I can't get followscroll to go up and down the page in the old browser, but thats the closest I've got it working normally for most browsers, oddly by placing this <noscript> tag that doesn't belong in xhtml.

Regards
maz

[John]

Unfortunately I can't offer an old browser, either. But I can tell you under Safari v85.5 both of your links are working just fine.

You said...

...users who still have old OS's and browsers IE 4.1 *argh*. I am encouraging them to upgrade to Safari, but they are very unsure of it, so I told them I'd try to support at least Mac IE 5.2.

First, please define 'old OS'. IE4.1 is so far back I'm surprised it even runs at all. Safari, as I'm sure you know, is OS X only, so if 'old' means 9.x or below they're out of luck there. M$ has dropped any further support and development of IE on OS X, the last version there being 5.2.3. Under OS 9.x I believe the last IE version I saw was 5.1.7. Under OS X, Netscape is at 7.1, and at 7.01 on 9.x.

[Andy]

It is a browser issue and it's something that might be fixed by moving the menu definition files down to just before the </body> tag.

It seems that images are on a higher layer than the menu on these older browsers.

Hope this helps
Andy

[Maz]

It works for the top menu, but couldn't locate table bound menu.